Amazon Fire HD 10 (2017)
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Model: 32GB | Black
Top positive review
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HD 10 vs. HD 8 vs. iPad
By S. Kim on Reviewed in the United States on November 19, 2017
Amazon is close to making the perfect budget tablet. First of all, I own the 2017 HD 8 as well and feel that this is a great upgrade. The size difference being obvious and the 10 might be a bit large for some but you may feel that it's a noteworthy upgrade. Everything seems to run smoother and faster. And it's brighter, sharper, and louder. The higher resolution is immediately noticeable. I can't believe that companies still make low res tablets. I bit my tongue and bought the HD 8 and regretted it for that. My 5 year old Nexus 7 had full HD and was sharp and crisp. This new HD 10 is beautiful. Even though it doesn't have the highest pixel density for reading fonts, it's perfectly acceptable for consuming video. The IPS display is very forgiving horizontally but slightly less so vertically. The screen is not as bright as an iPad but in my opinion it's fine for all but direct sunlight. The speakers, they're not full sounding at all. Very tinny with no bass. You're neighbors aren't ever going to complain, but it's significantly louder than the HD 8 which I struggle to hear anywhere except in a quite room. The HD 10, I can actually watch movies and hear things while I'm doing things around the house or at work. But paired to my Bluetooth speaker, this thing is really amazing. I have an Amazon Music account and since Alexa works even while in stand by, I can request it to play whatever I want. By now, most of you know what Alexa can do. And you know how convenient it is. And a lot of you spent money buying Echos, Dots, and Shows. And a lot of you have nice BT speakers and even stereo systems at home. Ummm... why not use your Fire HD 10 and your $300 BT speaker instead? My friend has a Show and it's fairly impressive. But my HD 10 and JBL Xtreme will blow it out of the water. Battery life is really good imho. I pushed it hard at work today. I had it streaming an event from 9:30AM to 3:30PM connected to bluetooth speakers. The screen was set to maximum brightness with adaptive brightness turned off. It had 2% battery left. I used the supplied charger and it took 3 hours to fully charge. 6 hours at max brightness is really impressive for a $150 full HD 10 inch tablet with a relatively high nit value. At medium or low brightness setting, I can't see why this couldn't last it's rated 9 hours of play time. I've had the HD 8 stream non stop for 8 hours before I had to shut it down for the day but I don't recall the battery capacity left. For all I know it could've gone 9 or 10 hours. That little sucker keeps chugging on. Unlock it's full potential. There are easy 4 step guides on YT to install Google Play Store. It literally takes 5 mins. Click to install a few files. That's it. This won't do anything bad to the tablet. All it's doing is installing files that all other Android tablets normally come with. It doesn't erase anything. And it doesn't overwrite anything. But you can install the YouTube app from the Google Play Store instead of the Amazon store and get full HD content. You can install Chrome browser and sync everything across all your platforms. Gmail, Kodi, Utorrent, yada yada yada. There's just so many things that Amazon app store doesn't have that many of us need. I wouldn't have purchased the HD 10 unless Google Play Store was available. Anyways, if you're on the fence between the HD 8 and the HD 10, I would steer you towards the 10. It provides a more immersive experience with it's sharp screen and loud speakers. If you want stocking stuffers this holiday, get the HD 8 and miser a HD 10 for yourself. And if you're on the fence between the HD 10 and the basic iPad, unless you're locked into Apple's eco system, I don't see a reason to spend more than double for the iPad with their locked storage capacity. A 32GB iPad is $329 and a 128GB is $429. For some of us, storage capacity is a big deal. Whether we're working with photography or downloading a ton of music, or storing hours and hours of movies and TV shows to watch in airports, planes, and hotels. And compared to the Pro models, the regular iPad feels cheap with it's thicker body and double layered screen (albeit still feels more top shelf than the HD 10). The one thing going for iPads are the wider 4:3 screen format for reading. I find older style screen formats to be more comfortable for stacking in longer lines for reading. What I don't like. There's no Fintie Tuatara with Magic Ring case! I have one for the HD 8 and it's incredible. Basically a giant rugged case with a kickstand that rotates so there's no limit on how to angle it in portrait and landscape modes. Also, the speakers are acceptable but I wish that they were better. Fuller sounding with more bass. And although I can link my Spotify premium account to the HD 10 Alexa App, when I request it, it says that Spotify is not supported on this device. That's a shame really because I use Spotify for all my music. I can still just use the Spotify app, just not with Alexa. The battery life is good. But can be better. Just compare it to an iPad. And last but not least, the screen is acceptably bright. But it can be brighter. Again, compare it to an iPad. But let's be real. This is a $150 tablet with a micro SD slot. EDIT: The Fintie Tuatara is coming out in a couple of days! And I added a 64GB micro SD card to store offline Netflix and Amazon videos. An entire season of Mind Hunter or Stranger Things is only a couple of gigs in standard quality and 7 or 8 gigs for high so you can store enough movies for a week or two for $20. To store vids on the SD card, go to the Fire HD Settings then Storage and make sure that Download Movies and TV Shows to SD card is clicked on. And in the Netflix app, click the hamburger then App Settings and set Download Location to SD card. You can also set the Download Video Quality to standard or high. Bought a 2nd Fire HD 10 in 32GB for $99 during Black Friday to keep at work for reading. Andy Weir's new book Artemis is calling. I've gotta go.
Top critical review
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The locked-in, limited, buggy, anti-competitive tablet.
By Charles on Reviewed in the United States on December 10, 2017
SUMMARY: The Fire HD 10 is for those who are NOT heavily invested in non-Amazon cloud services and apps, it's good hardware at a great price, however the non-standard implementation of Android (Fire OS) is very buggy and doesn't play well with apps, regardless of the app store they are installed from which ruins this tablet for advanced users. Into: after two weeks of use I returned the Fire HD 10 (FHD) tablet and replaced it with a Galaxy Tab A 10.1 (GTA) for a few bucks more. I'll compare the two through this review. Hardware: The Fire HD 10 is great hardware fire the price! The IPS screen is very crisp and clear, especially for text reading, however IMO I think they set the contrast way to high -- this high contract causes dark video scenes to be washed out, essentially obliterating blacks. I tested this with calibration videos and proper black levels cannot be achieved, they're gray no matter what level of brightness you set and this is not enjoyable for videos with lots of dark scenes. The GTA, also an led panel though TFT, suffers similarly but not as bad. Neither screen gets that bright. They're ok, but really need a boost for daylight viewing! The second issue with hardware I've had is incomplete charging of the battery -- this is a common issue with Fire tablets over the years! I've never owned or heard of such an issue in 30yrs of owning tech gear. The speakers are well placed and sound good though I needed to install a volume booster for non-Amazon content, the GTA (Gallery Tab A) has the speakers at the bottom of portrait which is terrible for videos and games and the volume level is worse than the FHD and if get to find a volume booster app that works for the GTA. The plastic shell of the FHD is well designed IMO and doesn't feel cheap, while the GTA is all aluminum but very slippery. The FHD is reasonably easy to hold, the GTA is not so easy to hold with its narrower bezels. Battery life: the FHD gets a consistent 10 to 11 hours max. The GTA seems to have a lot more variance in battery life depending on I how I use it -- 12hrs seems to be the low end for mixed use, 7 hrs for video at full brightness, but with less intensive use it had gotten 16 hrs of screen on time. The FHD also lacks WiFi direct and gps, though they have maps pre-installed?!?! The cameras on the FHD are not good while the GTA cameras are surprisingly good, though I don't care that much about tablet cameras myself. Finally OTG on the FHD is sketchy at best. Copying files to and from an external hard drive often failed while the GTA excelled in this area with the fastest transfer speeds I've ever had. The main negatives of hardware are: both need a boost in display brightness, reduction in contrast, boost in volume, 1gb more ram, OTGon FHD, and the GTA speakers are in the wrong place & its capacitive buttons are a pain! I would choose the Fire HD 10 hardware over the GTA hardware even at equal price, however hardware is nothing without software. Fire HD 10 vs Galaxy Tab A 10.1 hardware summary: FHD has better screen, better speaker placement, more storage (32gb vs 16gb), on screen navigation buttons. GTA has better cameras, larger battery, better build quality, Wi-Fi direct, gps, etc -- pretty much better hardware except for screen, internal storage, speaker placement, and the God awful capacitive navigation! Operating system: Amazon has chosen to use a non-standard version of android (currently based on android 5, though android 8 is the current android release!), heavily skinned, heavily modified, and tightly locked down into what I can only say is an attempt to be anti-competitive and to lock you, the customer, into Amazon services. The GTA uses a standardized version of android 7.0 with Samsung's skin (touchwiz) also with their own services added in. I tested the FHD with and without Google play store & services installed. Without Google installed apps generally didn't function properly, regardless if side loaded or direct from Amazon app store. With Google play store installed the FHD becomes slower and there's issues with push notifications and still many apps don't work properly, not to mention the increased RAM used -- no vpn app worked that I tested (6), apps don't work well with the external SD card, and direct file sharing only worked with one app. Without Google's apps installed the apps I tried that utilize Google drive didn't function, installed from Amazon app store! And you can forget about Google photos! In other words, if you aren't all in with Amazon's stuff it's a pain! Obviously the GTA doesn't suffer these issues as it has Google play services integrated. The hassle with 3rd party apps was THE breaking point for me -- I could find a way to work around most issues, but why should I waste my time and be frustrated constantly by a device that should be easy to use? Default software: Launcher (how screen): IMO Amazon's launcher is horrible! Non-customizable, non-replaceable, locked in, oversized icons, ugly, etc! I wouldn't mind it if they, 1) made it customizable for icon sizes & layout, widgets, etc, and 2) made the tabs function consistently according to how the apps function -- swiping left/right on rows should scroll that content...etc. It's just another half-baked implementation IMO -- that pretty much sums up all of Amazon's software IMO! They aren't making things better! The GTA, similar to all android devices, allows for launcher customization and even replacement, widgets and all those things we android users love.... Default apps: no matter if I use Amazon's apps on the FHD or on another device they are consistently buggy and run in the background excessively (bad behaving). I'm shocked at how below average Amazon's apps are -- I'll leave the rest for the specific app review, suffice it to say that there are major bugs with their apps that should not exist -- I'm talking major bugs not minor glitches. Furthermore they don't add anything significant, they don't make my experience with their services enjoyable. In fact Amazon's apps have turned me off totally to their Prime membership -- I don't buy enough for the free shipping to mean anything. I've given up on Prime music totally! Between the bugs and lack of proper playlist backup and lack of proper integration of my on device music it's not worth my time and frustration! And I prefer to get my books in a non-locked in form. Thus I'm left with Prime video which Amazon seems to want to go out of their way to ensure it's the least enjoyable to use as possible -- no pinch to zoom, arbitrary download limits, often no zoom at all especially on Amazon original content. This all equals either large black bars or massive cropping = great on a 10" device! /sarcasm Samsung adds a lot of their own bloat as well. Neither Amazon or Samsung make me happy with the way they try to steal my data and try to lock me into their ecosystem -- you can't disable most of their bloat, certainly can't uninstall it, and this junk is usually eating up your ram and battery running in the background even if you never use them! If Amazon wants me to use their apps/services then make them better than the competition, don't try to lock me in via anti-competitive tactics. I would be more than happy to use a device that didn't have Google on it, gave me better privacy, etc. But Amazon isn't doing that, their just trying to do the same as Google, apple, and Samsung = use and abuse the customer info and privacy. Ads: I actually didn't mind the lock screen ads though the notification ads were annoying because they kept sending the same one over and over -- I would view it, clear it, then it would come up again....wash, rinse, repeat...to the point I blocked its notifications. The ads that started driving me nuts were the ones on the home screen tabs. They just made a mess of things and were generally irrelevant thus I turned them off. Example: I don't have any games installed, though Amazon put an anatomy app into the games tab, but the games tab is loaded all the time with recommended games -- this is where advertising goes wrong! This is how you annoy the customer! I don't use games, don't play them, and they should notice that by the lack of games installed and reduce the spam on that tab, but they don't! In fact this is where I should be able to remove that tab! But no! Thus I turned all of it off -- now maybe someone at Amazon can explain to me how that's ultimately helping Amazon? In general 3rd party app use on the FHD was a pain -- only shareit would transfer files back and forth but only if you set it up in a specific way, send first from the tablet....VPNs don't work, Google cloud services? Use the browser, you wanna greenify bad behaving apps? Nope! etc..... it just feels like a buggy wanna be locked-in apple product with a sad app store. And there's the problem! It's fine for those that only need the basic default apps but anyone that's going to need to install a lot of non-game apps will most likely run into frustration. And this makes me question Amazon's whole approach with fire os. Why bother with it? All its doing is sucking up more resources and limiting the devices. It failed on phones! The app store is sad and hasn't taken off and most of the apps I tried from the app store still relied on Google play services in some way, meaning the apps are not being developed for fire OS! Thus Amazon spends all this time & money to make a limited version of android thus limiting their tablets to a smaller audience. That makes no sense whatsoever. User android, straight up! Don't waste time and money modifying it! Spend that time and money on your apps for your services. Make them better than the competition! Give your hardware the widest audience possible and put your services front and center, but make them desirable to use so advanced users will want to switch. As is, the hardware is limited to a smaller audience by the software and the apps for Amazon services makes me not want to use them. Just my opinion! Conclusion: I would be more than happy with the Fire HD if it ran a standardized version of android, and I would use Amazon's apps and services if they worked better, offered better features and user experience but that's not the case. Amazon's software makes using the Fire HD and their services a pain, to the point I see no reason continuing Amazon Prime next year -- I bought it for the videos and music...not shipping, but it's not worth dealing with the bugs and absolute stupidity taking place! I'm knowledgeable enough to use other methods that aren't going to lock me in and cause me annoyances. I don't find the GTA to be perfect either. Samsung's bloat is unnecessary and often redundant, their skin is often confusing, speaker placement is stupid and volume far to low, but it does function like a normal android device and 3rd party apps generally run properly and I can replace the launcher. Thus I won't even consider another Amazon Fire OS device until they are using a standardized version of Android, and I'm 90% certain I won't be continuing Amazon Prime next year. Thus a well done to the Amazon software team is deserved for demonstrating how not to do things!
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