Cuisinart CHW-12FR 12 cup Programmable Coffee Maker Blac (Open Box)

NOTE: This applies to the refurb model only! I drink mostly tea, and few coffee makers get the water hot enough for a proper cup of tea. I was looking at the "prefect temp" model that claims to give 200 degree hot water. I was stupid and Assumed the reviews for the new model would be the same as for the refurb model. Well they are not! First, the "new" model comes with a glass caraf As indicated on the new model. It does not. I also assumed it would come with the Charcoal Water Filter and Gold Tone Filter indicated on the new model. It does not! Now if you buy these items , it moves the cost of the "referb" higher then the new one! and you don't get the 3 year warranty! Second Stupid was reading the reviews and assuming the info there was correct. One reviewer said the water temp on the coffee side was 200* and the hot water side was 185* WelI doubt he tested this, but I can tell you that it is not accurate. I ran 5 tries using different levels of water on the "coffee" side and I got water temp from 167 to 170. NO WHERE NEAR 200!!! I even tried letting it "brew" about half way and opening the top and measuring the temp of the water in the filter, 173! I guess I should have bought the "perfect temp" model if I wanted tea water. OK but surely the "Hot Water" side would give me water hot enough for tea! Well, NO. the "hot water" is right around 155* even after letting it "cook" for 10 min I could not get it to 160 (159). I get 149* water out of a cheep Mr Coffee I spent 19.97 on! OK, I can use it for instant soup right. Except for the fact that they have the dumbest system on earth. If you put in 4 cups of water, you will get one cup of hot water, and the rest stays in the unit! To get the "old water" out, you have to pull a plug on the bottom of the machine. And remember it is a whole lot more then a cups worth so grab something that will hold a lot of water, or just move the coffee maker over to the sink. And by the way, the "plug" on the tank is just a friction fit. no telling when it will start leaking, but if you empy the tank a lot, I'm guessing it will be sooner rather then later. So the "hot water" system is useless, and the water is really not hot enough to brew tea, but its a coffee maker after all and it will make a great cup of coffee... Right? I guess that depends on the coffee you are use to. If you are used to a cheap Mr. Coffee, well this is about the same. measured temp is very slightly higher, but no where hear the 196* I get from the Bunn coffee maker at work. Not surprising, the coffee tastes the same as what I get from the cheap Mr Coffee. (just FYI I brought a pack of the coffee we use at work, and it doesn't taste near as good on this coffee maker. Another little issue I have is that it has a very short cord. About 2 ft. This might not be an issue if you could keep the coffee maker up against the wall, But if you want to pull it out to the edge of the counter so you can empty the stupid hot water tank, it really isn't long enough. I also don't like how long it takes to fill a cup with hot water. Its more like its coming out of the "brew" side and takes too long to fill a cup. I think I should also mention the "referb" label is a lie, The unit I got was 100% brand new. Just missing some of the stuff that comes with the "new" model. I think this is a way for Cuisinart to make a "cheaper model" of the CHW-12 by pulling stuff out of the package and discounting the price.