Propper Summerweight Tactical Pant (Open Box)

I was a bit nervous reading the reviews. But I absolutely love these pants. My first foray into nice cargos. So take that with a grain of salt. (Since writing this ive also tried the 511 apex) Im 6'1 200lbs, athletic build. The 34/32 fit great. Slightly baggy and loose but form fitting enough to make my butt look good lol, my wife likes.(I got a second pair same size but the waist fit perfectly to my waist unlike the first pair a bit baggy needing a belt) The fabric is a bit stretchier than I was imagining and its great (much strechier than 511 and 511 is just a 2 way stretch). They are very light and airy. But not as cool as you would think as they block wind. Good for summer but definitely wearable in colder weather. Best fitting pants to my body ive tried yet. Idk about durability yet. Durability isn't great, already have some snags and cuts. But thats honestly to be expected of this kind of fabric. The ripstop did its job for the most partGreat deep pockets with a nice mesh liner. Has a French fly which is a nice touch. Not as decked out with features but just really nice comfort for the price. If these had the stretch tunnel waistband i would buy enough for the week.. ordered a pair of the edgetec to see if i like better..(they were unwearable, the edgetec waist fit but thighs were so tight i couldn't get hands in pockets or even spread my legs apart, weird how awful that was)pants don't make too much noise when you walk but they do make some in very quiet situations i suppose. The fabric is a bit rough to the touch. And the black isn't supremely black but good enough for my work uniform. It is black but like specs of lighter color come thru in the fabric in the shade or in the sun lil sparkly bits. Its a nice looking pant with small squares in the fabric, guess thats the rip stop. I do wish there were more pockets instead of making the typical pockets doubled up. So you have the standard hand pockets but there's 1 on top of another , same with the cargo pocket. Which is nice but could be better. Could go for a small phone or mag pockets a pen pocket etc.Not a Supreme tactical pant but a nice work pant good for hikes and stuff.Especially for the price.So bottomline. I dont have any real complaints. Could have a bit more thoughtful of a design. Arguably the 511 apex I have is better quality but I like everything about these pants more for the most part.Again, put a tunnel waistband on these bad boys. Maybe give some options for the buyer like the lightweight and maybe a 10 and 20 gram pant. Maybe some pocket layout options. I can't stand velcro, that velcro pocket on the outside will never get used by me and double pockets are also useless for me as they constrain each other when full.All in all thats all I can really say. I will be buying more of these. The fit the pocket size and placement etc all works really well for me. Much better than the 511 pantsThese sit at your waist. Apex rides low. These have ample room. Apex gives moose knuckle. These have a great dump pouch. Apex cargo zipper I can barely get my hand in. I mean these are way better for me than apex.Thats all I've tried so far tho. Bout to get helikon tru spec and yes an arctyrex .